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This was their first ever UEFA cup game. I'd like to know which of our 'big games' can compare. We had 11,758 for an Inter-toto cup game against Samsunspor in July for christ's sake.

60 people in the fight at Beckett irish pub in Budapest . Millwall against Millwall. 6 light injured and taken to hospital. 2 arrested by the hungarian police.
the stewards are going to test the fans Hungarian language knowledge skills for home end, so a dum Hungarian football fan will not be allowed in.

1 hour ago 30 millwall fans threw some empty bottles at 100 ftc fans...
...then the fradistas started to chase them....
... and then the police arrived.
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I'm so happy!!!!

Millwall's tour of europe ends!!

Whats the saying, home before the postcards!!!!!

Millwall, the Scotland of European club football!!!

To be honest im suprised Millwall were allowed to travel.

SSN reporting 1 Millwall fan is fighting for his life and 3 others recieved non-life threatening stab wounds.

I cannot believe 3,000 Millwall turned up.

Ashamed to support the same team as the morons on here who think someone getting stabbed is a laugh, no matter what the circumstances. As Bald Eagle says, it merely illustrates how this country's moral fibre has declined in recent times. Incidentally, there were over 14,000 stabbings in London between June of last year and March of this - an increase of 13% from the previous year, so please don't anyone come on here and tell me I am just getting older, this country is going down the pan big time. People just don;t care about their fellow huiman beings anymore. That person is someone's son no matter what.

According to the latest news the guy with the life threatening injury is over the critical point. Hopefully together with the other injured English and Hungarian fans he'll recover in a short while.
I thought the police should have prevented these actions, they were quite impotent and slow.

Fair enough, but I don't honestly believe that these guys were stabbed by ruthless Hungarian fans indescriminantly attacking them just because they were English. They went out looking for trouble and they got it. Wishing him dead may be a bit strong, but I'm not going to lose any sleep.

You lot talk a lot of bollox from a thousand mile distant vantage point.

I also know a few "normal" people who support Millwall.

Real Millwall supporters went on the organised trip with tickets for the away supporters section. They experienced segregation (of sorts) and didn't arrive 36 hours before KO and head for the city centre.

The people that got stabbed were not on the organised trip, they were in the city centre.

Clearly they were identified by their assailant, either because they were wearing colours (stupid and unlikely) or because of their behaviour.

I can assure you that Fradi's fighting element didn't adopt the "what time is it mate?" tactics of our friends from up north.

I have no sympathy for these low lifes, if they end up brown bread its because they deliberately chose to put themselves in a place where they could get hurt.

Sympathy where sympathy is due - in this case sympathy is not an appropriate reaction.

(Jees I remember Brian Clough being chastised for having the audacity to suggest that the blame for the death of so many innocent people at Hillsborough lay with those scousers who had tipped up drunk without tickets 10 minutes before KO and then attempted to force their way into the ground.

You lot can't seriously be trying to suggest that the reason a few people got stabbed last night is because they were unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - behave yourselves!)

I know very little about the incidents, but from what little I have gleaned:

> Many hundreds of Millwall fans appear to have travelled to Budapest without tickets, against the advice of the club
> Most of the violence appears to have taken place prior to the game, which suggests organisation from both sides
> The Millwall chairman has made a complaint about a lack of police protection within the ground when coins/bottles were thrown

On this fairly flimsy information, I suspect that some of the old style Millwall decided to take their lads on their first (and in all probability, only) European escapade. Unable to obtain tickets from Millwall, they decided to take their chances on the black market, which meant they needed to go over early. I suspect that the Ferencvaros fans were probably aware of the Millwall reputation, and they they would need little provocation to start trouble. Alcohol is pretty cheap in Budapest, which no doubt didn't help. When Millwall were outnumbered, I suspect the local police felt little real desire to get in a help them.

It's very difficult to feel sorry for Millwall or Theo, especially when it was only a few years ago that Millwall fans decided to rain coins and other missiles on women and children in the Holmesdale Lower tier whilst we were held back from leaving our own ground. Of course, nobody wishes a knife attack on anybody, but as with the Leeds fans in Istanbul a few years ago, you need to be sympathetic to local considerations. Is it pure co-incidence that the two teams with the worst reputation for football violence in Britain are also the two teams to have suffered such attacks in Europe since re-admission? Millwall's first away visit? Sadly it appears that those who feared that Millwall in Europe would end in violence have benn proved right.

The fact that they lost is worth celebrating though, as it means that fate won't be tempted again in the near future.
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The way Theo was going on Sky Sports News you would have thought Millwall were a bunch of angels.

Yes someone has been stabbed, and that is truely horrible thing. But Millwall fans are hardly angels them selves.

Even the "Normal" fans love the reputation they have, with all this "No One Likes Us" business.

Can't see any mention of the racist chanting directed at McCammon throughout the game. Must have been a starnge experience for Millwall to be on the receiving end of racist abuse.

Look forward to reading about Ferencvaros getting fined, maybe forced to play a few games behind closed doors, for this.

According to the hungarian press the millwall fan put out the knife 1st
He didn't expext the hungarian to have one as well....

FTC won't get fined as the stabbing happened far from the stadium
+ there was no serious violence in the stadium at all.

It's also been reported in the UK that the Millwall chairman was attacked in the Director's Box though I haven't seen that confirmed.

don't feel so sorry for the millwall supporters, they knocked out a hungarian guy, and as he layed on the ground they kicked the teeth out from his mouth, pulled his trousers down and than just laughed at him...

Some Millwall fans traveling between there hotel to the ground by taxi as to avoid trouble missed the match because they couldn't get out of there taxis at the ground due to them being surrounded by Ferencvaros fans with knives.

AS I heared it on the Hungarian news Millwall fans were drinking in the centre of the city when mobs of Hooligans attacked them.
But they knew that the Hungarian Hooligans were looking for a fight. They wanted to bet the famous Wall Hools. Same thing will occur now when Feyenoord is comming

The official statement of FTC
http://www.ftc.hu/index.php?action=m...=news&nid=8876
Following the UEFA Cup football match the management of Ferencváros was informed about the official statements of the leaders of Millwall, in which Millwall condemned the organizers of the return match. Millwalls officials criticise the conditions in the stadium as well as the atmosphere which, in their opinion, was threatening and provoking.
They claim that the security service was not able to ensure the appropriate protection of the British players and fans. In addition, Millwall officials have criticised police activity which, as they claim, was unjustifiably severe.

Concerning the above, FTC management wishes to inform the public about the followings.
On the day and before the days of the match there have been several street and pub fights in Budapest. During these fights several people have been injured. We wish a quick recovery for the injured and we deeply condemn the scandalous scenes on the public areas, the prevention of which cannot be expected from a football club. It is not for us to judge how severe the police were against British fans and whether these measures were justified, but we have to remind Millwall officials of the fact that there had been several meetings and discussions between Hungarian and British security forces, in which Millwall officials had warned that the visiting British fans might cause serious problems.
Mr Ken Chapman, the security manager of the British club, and some of his colleagues had come to Budapest before the first match to inform us that several British fans could be expected on the return match without valid tickets and these fans might cause seroius problems.
There was a negotiation before the return match, on which British police officials supposed that about 1,500 British fans might come to Budapest without valid tickets, and they also warned that these fans would try to get into the stadium even if they had to attack the civilian security force and the police. In spite of these frightening forecasts there were not any disturbances in the stadium during the match.
After the match Dennis Wise and every player of the guest team applauded the Hungarian fans, and the Hungarian team also applauded the British fans.
On the press conference after the match Ray Wilkins, the coach of Millwall, said that neither the atmosphere of the match, nor the behaviour of the Hungarian fans were threatening.
We have to emphasize that Ferencváros took it upon itself to ensure the safety of the British players and fans inside the stadium, and also it is a fact that no Hungarian fans travelled to England to the first match witout valid tickets.
It is very unfortunate that in spite of all the previous warnings several British fans arrived in Budapest without tickets. It is also very unfortunate that these fans attacked security at the gates of the stadium and tried to get in. This was prevented by the security and the police.
We have to accept what Millwall officials said about the pyrotechnics used in the stadium but there were only seven torches lit after the first goal and not many, as they claimed. These torches, however, did not endanger anybody.
It is true and very unfortunate that in both matches, there were some fans in both camps, whose behaviour and support cannot be called fair.
All in all we find it very unfortunate that the forecasts of Millwall officials proved true and several fans arrived in Budapest without tickets, who got involved in disturbances.
Once again we wish a quick recovery to the injured fans, we thank the team of Millwall for having been a noble rival on the field and wish them good luck in the football league of England.

Did not see any trouble before the game. True did not go to town center went to a not a tourist bar instead for a beer.
The only fighting I saw at the ground were in the VIP sector. People were trowing beer at each other.
Every time the 2 black player got the ball. Fradi fans made monkey sounds especially when the Kanu look alike got the ball.
But it were the same when Ujpest played Stuttgart the Stuttgart black player recieved same treatment.
There were 2 Englisg guys sitting behind me luckely they kept a low profile so they did not get into trouble.

Christ, if the Millwall fans had shut their eyes for a second they would have imagined they were at the Den!

I am surprised that Millwall's supporters and staff heard these as racist taunts rather than 'booing'. There must have been a hell of a lot of ear syringeing going on in South Bermondsey in the last couple of years as they never heard the equally disgusting taunts aimed at Julian Gray at Selhurst a couple of seasons back. Fradi and Millwank sound like a marriage made in hell.

In fact, if Fradi really want to be like Millwall they should do the following:

1. Claim that monkey sounds are a form of booing.

2. Claim that the Fradi fans were just being 'passionate' and that normal people 'don't understand what being Fradi is about'

3. Claim that any violence was entirely due to the opposition and or Police.

4. Claim that Millwall are just exhibiting 'sour grapes' at a 3-1 loss. (sound familiar neanderthals?)

5. Claim that no club does more than you do to stamp out racism and hooliganism.

6. Claim that Criticism of your club is unfair and exaggerated and just the media being naughty and having it in for you.

7. Fail to see your fans ripping up seats and throwing coins, flares and anything else they can get their hands on at opposing fans and police.